Telling data from interpretation in Portuguese debates
In a debate, a figure, the conclusion drawn from it and the assumption behind that conclusion can all sound like plain facts. Here a merchant and a resident argue about a bike lane on a busy avenue, with a short news item as their source. By the end, you can use segundo…, isso sugere… and não demonstra que… to say where a claim comes from and how far it goes, whether or not you agree with it.
Three tools you already know
Three things from earlier lessons come back here. News reports often put the event first with foi and a participle: “Foi anunciado que a energia volta às dez.” Por um lado and por outro lado weigh two sides of a question. É provável que, followed by seja or tenha, says how sure you are: “É provável que a causa seja um raio.”
This lesson adds another question: not how sure you are, but what kind of statement you are hearing.
Foi anunciado que a energia volta às dez.
Por um lado, as lojas foram muito bem durante o teste. Por outro lado, minha avó não conseguiu nem chegar na farmácia.
É provável que a causa seja um raio.
Words for the topic
- cicloviabike lane
- comerciantemerchant
- vendasale
- ciclistacyclist
- vaga de estacionamentoparking space
The source: a short news item
Read these five sentences like a local news report. A avenida is the avenue, a prefeitura is city hall, afastar clientes means to drive customers away, and afirma means claims. Hoje means now or today, and o dobro de means twice as many.
Don't take sides yet: just work out who says what. The first sentence reports an event, the next three give figures from a named source, and the last gives the association's explanation.
A ciclovia da avenida foi aberta há um ano.
Segundo a associação de comerciantes, as vendas da avenida caíram dez por cento.
According to the merchants' association, sales on the avenue fell ten percent.
Segundo a mesma associação, as vendas também caíram em outros bairros.
According to the same association, sales also fell in other neighborhoods.
Segundo a prefeitura, a avenida tem hoje o dobro de ciclistas de um ano atrás.
According to city hall, the avenue now has twice as many cyclists as a year ago.
A associação afirma que a ciclovia reduziu as vagas e afastou clientes.
The association claims that the bike lane cut parking spaces and drove customers away.
Model: the argument over the avenue
A merchant (a) and a resident (b) argue over the news item. Aceitar means to accept, and a bairro is a neighborhood. Both say o cliente and vaga in the singular to mean customers and parking spaces in general, which is common in Brazilian conversation; that is why the merchant can answer “E não chega?” Listen for the moment the resident accepts a figure but not the conclusion drawn from it.
- A
Segundo a associação de comerciantes, as vendas da avenida caíram dez por cento.
According to the merchants' association, sales on the avenue fell ten percent.
- B
Esse dado eu aceito. A causa, não.
- A
As vendas caíram depois da ciclovia. Isso sugere que a ciclovia afastou clientes.
Sales fell after the bike lane came in. That suggests the bike lane drove customers away.
- B
Sugere, mas não demonstra. Segundo a mesma associação, as vendas também caíram em outros bairros.
- A
Menos vaga na rua é menos cliente na loja.
Fewer parking spaces on the street means fewer customers in the shops.
- B
Aí tem um pressuposto: que o cliente da avenida chega de carro.
There's an assumption there: that the avenue's customers arrive by car.
- A
E não chega?
- B
Não sei. Esse dado a gente ainda não tem.
Words for taking a claim apart
- dadodata point
- interpretaçãointerpretation
- pressupostoassumption
- segundoaccording to
- sugerirsuggest
- demonstrardemonstrate
Data, interpretation, assumption
The first three sentences here look alike, but they do different jobs. A dado is something measured or counted, so it can be checked: “As vendas da avenida caíram dez por cento.” An interpretação is what someone concludes from it: “A ciclovia afastou clientes.” A pressuposto is what that conclusion takes for granted, often without saying so: “O cliente da avenida chega de carro.”
Grammar doesn't show the difference, so careful speakers mark it: segundo… names the source, isso sugere… offers an interpretation, and não demonstra que… marks its limit. If someone presents a conclusion as a fact, you can answer: “Isso é uma interpretação, não um dado.”
As vendas da avenida caíram dez por cento.
A ciclovia afastou clientes.
O cliente da avenida chega de carro.
Isso é uma interpretação, não um dado.
Say where it comes from: segundo
Segundo means “according to.” Put the source after it, then a comma and the information. It names the source without saying that you agree, and it works with institutions, documents and people: segundo a prefeitura, segundo o jornal, segundo ela. For your own view, say na minha opinião instead. This isn't the segundo of segundo lugar (second place) or um segundo (a second): here, a source follows it.
Naming a source doesn't turn an opinion into data: “Segundo ela, a ciclovia afastou clientes” is still an interpretation, now with its owner named.
Segundo fonte, informação.
Segundo a associação de comerciantes, as vendas da avenida caíram dez por cento.
According to the merchants' association, sales on the avenue fell ten percent.
Segundo a prefeitura, a avenida tem hoje o dobro de ciclistas de um ano atrás.
According to city hall, the avenue now has twice as many cyclists as a year ago.
Segundo o jornal, a ciclovia foi aberta há um ano.
Segundo ela, a ciclovia afastou clientes.
Offer an interpretation: isso sugere que
Like English “suggest,” sugerir here means that a fact points toward a conclusion without settling it. Isso picks up what was just said; you can also name it, as in esse dado or esses números. Use sugere with a singular subject and sugerem with a plural one; atrair means to attract. In this use, the verb after que normally stays in the indicative: “Isso sugere que a ciclovia afastou clientes.”
Isso / Esses números sugere / sugerem que frase.
As vendas caíram depois da ciclovia. Isso sugere que a ciclovia afastou clientes.
Sales fell after the bike lane came in. That suggests the bike lane drove customers away.
Esse dado sugere que o problema não é só da avenida.
Esses números sugerem que mais gente está indo de bicicleta para o trabalho.
O dobro de ciclistas sugere que a ciclovia atraiu gente nova.
Twice as many cyclists suggests the bike lane has attracted new people.
Mark the limit: não demonstra que
Não demonstra que accepts the fact but refuses the jump to the conclusion. It doesn't say that the conclusion is false, only that this evidence isn't enough; “Sugere, mas não demonstra” puts it in four words. With a plural subject, say não demonstram; trânsito is traffic and melhorou means improved. After it, both moods are correct, so you can say “não demonstra que a ciclovia é a causa” or “não demonstra que a ciclovia seja a causa.” The subjunctive underlines the doubt and is common in careful writing; the indicative is more usual in conversation, where you will also hear não prova que.
Isso / Esses números não demonstra / demonstram que frase.
Isso não demonstra que a ciclovia afastou clientes.
That doesn't demonstrate that the bike lane drove customers away.
Esses números não demonstram que a ciclovia é a causa.
Those numbers don't demonstrate that the bike lane is the cause.
Isso não demonstra que a ciclovia seja a causa.
O dobro de ciclistas não demonstra que o trânsito melhorou.
Twice as many cyclists doesn't demonstrate that traffic has improved.
Sugerir or demonstrar?
The choice depends on how far the evidence goes: sales fell after the bike lane came in, but something else could explain that, so sugere is the honest verb. If the merchants counted the spaces before and after, the count settles that narrower point, so demonstra fits: “Isso demonstra que a rua tem menos vagas.”
Both verbs have other uses. Demonstrar can also mean showing how something works, as in a product demonstration. And when someone proposes an action, sugerir takes the subjunctive: “Sugiro que a prefeitura espere.” That is advice, not an interpretation, and it uses the first-person form sugiro, with an i.
As vendas caíram depois da ciclovia. Isso sugere que a ciclovia afastou clientes.
Sales fell after the bike lane came in. That suggests the bike lane drove customers away.
Os comerciantes contaram as vagas antes e depois. Isso demonstra que a rua tem menos vagas.
Name the assumption: o pressuposto é que
To bring an unspoken assumption into the open, say o pressuposto é que and state it as a plain sentence; traz means brings. It helps to ask what would have to be true for the conclusion to hold. A pressuposto isn't necessarily false: it just hasn't been checked, which is why the debate ends on “Esse dado a gente ainda não tem.”
O pressuposto é que frase.
O pressuposto é que o cliente da avenida chega de carro.
The assumption is that the avenue's customers arrive by car.
O pressuposto é que a vaga na rua traz o cliente para a loja.
The assumption is that street parking brings customers to the shop.
Essa interpretação depende de um pressuposto.
Report it faithfully, agree or not
Reporting a position isn't adopting it, so you can state it fairly and then disagree in a sentence of your own, as in the first example, where não concordo means I don't agree. Keep to what the source said and how strongly it said it: if it wrote sugere, don't report demonstra. Don't add to it either. In the news item, city hall gave a number of cyclists: “A prefeitura falou de ciclistas, não de trânsito.” Anything about traffic is your idea, not theirs.
Segundo a associação, a ciclovia afastou clientes. Eu não concordo, mas é isso que ela afirma.
A prefeitura falou de ciclistas, não de trânsito.
Your turn: the same care on the other side
This time the figure favors the bike lane, so test an argument you may like. Read the first sentence, cover the other two, and say the interpretation, its limit and the assumption in your own words. Then compare with the audio: “Isso sugere que a ciclovia atraiu gente nova.”
Next, take a news item you read recently. What is the dado, who gives it, and what does it suggest?
Segundo a prefeitura, a avenida tem hoje o dobro de ciclistas de um ano atrás.
According to city hall, the avenue now has twice as many cyclists as a year ago.
Isso sugere que a ciclovia atraiu gente nova, mas não demonstra que o trânsito melhorou.
O pressuposto é que o ciclista da avenida antes chegava de carro.
The assumption is that the avenue's cyclists used to arrive by car.
In short
Ask three questions about what you hear: what was measured, what is being concluded, and what is taken for granted. Use segundo to name the source, isso sugere que to offer an interpretation, não demonstra que to mark its limit and o pressuposto é que to name an assumption: “Segundo a associação de comerciantes, as vendas da avenida caíram dez por cento.” Sugerir leaves the question open, and demonstrar closes it. You can report a position faithfully without agreeing with it.
Segundo a associação de comerciantes, as vendas da avenida caíram dez por cento.
According to the merchants' association, sales on the avenue fell ten percent.
As vendas caíram depois da ciclovia. Isso sugere que a ciclovia afastou clientes.
Sales fell after the bike lane came in. That suggests the bike lane drove customers away.
Isso não demonstra que a ciclovia afastou clientes.
That doesn't demonstrate that the bike lane drove customers away.
O pressuposto é que o cliente da avenida chega de carro.
The assumption is that the avenue's customers arrive by car.